Savers fear lost money

Channel Islands’ savers in a bid to get money back

Tuesday, 21 October 2008

By Becca Talbot becca.talbot@consumerchoices.co.uk

Savers from the Channel Islands, who have collectively lost millions of pounds in the offshore arms of Icelandic banks, have formed action groups in an attempt to get their money back.

Following the collapse of the Icelandic economy, anxious customers worried about their savings in the Channel Islands’ branches of nationalised Icelandic banks Landsbanki and Kaupthing have set up action groups in an effort to claim back their “frozen” finances.

The action groups, which include the Landsbanki Guernsey Depositors Action Group and the Kaupthing Isle of Man Depositors Action Group, are petitioning governments in the UK, Iceland, Guernsey and Isle of Man to step in and guarantee 100% of their savings.

According to the Administrator, 2,033 people had accounts with Landsbanki Guernsey, with more than £121 million in deposits. It is estimated that a further 7,000 have around £860 million in Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander in the Isle of Man, which is in provisional liquidation for Friday (24 October).

So far, people who have lost money with Landsbanki Guernsey have been offered an initial payment of 30p for every £1 they had invested, but as yet there is no guarantee that they will get more than this.

Despite the popular perception that offshore savings accounts are dominated by wealthy individuals who are tax exiles, many of those who have lost money are on modest incomes but live abroad.

One dismayed Landsbanki Guernsey saver, a British citizen now living in France, recently joined the website www.iwantmymoneylandsbanki.com. Not wanting to be named, she said: “We rely on the money we have in Landsbanki Guernsey for our very small income. I have no idea how we will manage without it.”

She continued: “We are not rich; we are working class, ordinary people. At our age, we will never be able to replace that amount of money. We are at our wits end and desperately need help. Fellow depositors are talking of suicide, and the thought has crossed my mind several times.”

Iwantmymoneylandsbanki.com was founded by Daniel Herzberg, a saver with Landsbanki, now living in Spain. Setting up the action group in an attempt to claim back 100% of his savings, Herzberg said he felt deceived by the bank.

“We are in shock at the moment, that the Guernsey and UK Governments are not rushing in to protect their depositors at a time when world leaders are literally pumping in billions of pounds, dollars, and euros into their banks and economy to ensure confidence,” he said.

Herzberg, who opened a joint account with his wife in Landsbanki, has lost thousands of pounds, and is campaigning to get his, and other customers’ money back. “How am I ever to teach my two and a half year old son that it is the right thing to do to work hard, to save your money for a rainy day and to trust experts in their fields that they will do the right thing?” he said.

Because the money deposited with Landsbanki Guernsey has been invested outside of the UK, it is not covered by the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS). In their summary of conditions the FSCS stipulates clearly that it doesn’t cover banks in the Channel Islands or the Isle of Man, so many British savers with the insolvent banks are worried they will never see their money again.

At present, banks in Guernsey are not covered by a depositor protection scheme, and although the Isle of Man will compensate people up to the first £50,000 they have lost, there are fears the scheme could be swamped by the level of the claims.

Mark Stubbs, a depositor with Kaupthing Singer & Friedlander in the Isle of Man, fears he will those thousands. He said: “I find my self in the position where the money I have managed to save over the past 20 years is going to be taken from me by the government. What did I do wrong? I thought that I was being a prudent investor, putting away money monthly in what was, until government intervention, an A+ banking institution with a very long history.”

“We do not want a bailout from the UK taxpayer,” he concluded.

As it is almost impossible for people to open a British bank account without an address in the UK, and many who live outside of the country have been forced to put their money in savings accounts offshore.

It is thought that many people did not realise they were investing their money with an unprotected Icelandic bank, having opened their account before the institution, originally Cheshire Guernsey, was taken over by Landsbanki.

Chris Eagle, commercial manager at CreditChoices.co.uk said: “Obviously this is a very sad situation; it is not just a story of people getting into problems with mortgages that they cannot pay, it is literally the ‘disappearance’ of depositors’ money, with many fearing they may never get their savings back. I can only reinforce the importance of making sure that before you deposit any money with any institution, you check that they are FSA regulated.”


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I am based in Jersey and look after the financial affairs of my father who is in a Residential Home. I invested a third of his life savings in LB Guernsey as the rate offerred was attractive and as a pensioner he needs to maximise the return on his savings which are needed to fund his care. I am particularly anxious at the moment as another third of his savings is locked into a deposit with another Guernsey bank and there is still no Depositors protection scheme in place there. I asked this particular bank if I could break the deposit but have been told that it is not permitted under the contract terms. I feel utterly let down by all the authorities that are so concerned with their anti-money laundering regulations that they have ignored protecting the ordinary hard working and honest citizen. I can understand in some small way now why some people resort to terrorism in order to be heard. - Oct 28 2008 6:16PM
Nick Poingdestre, Jersey

I am another person let down by Landsbanki, the Governments and Guernsey. I put my savings into 'Cheshire Guernsey' a number of years ago when I gave up working to have children. I see no reason why we should lose out in this way, when every other country seems to be guaranteeing people's investments. The IMF are even bailing out Turkey and Hungary. When are either the UK government or Guernsey going to admit to their responsibilities?? The UK government, after all, have been only too keen to tax me on any interest earnt on these savings - isn't it time they gave something back?? - Oct 28 2008 2:20PM
Kate Gibbons, Stroud, UK

My wife and I went to work abroad in 1986. We put all we had into Cheshire Guernsey Building Society. We continued to save, adding to the account whenever we could. It was taken over by Landsbanki Guernsey but we thought it was OK.
In March of this year, we heard that LG was a having problems. We were living in Hong Kong then. We wewnt to Landsbanki offices in HK and we were told that funds in LG were backed by the Icelandic government and we had nothing to worry about. They even phoned LG and let us speak to a man who gave us the same assurances.
We returned home in July, having advised LG of the change in our tax status in April.
We told the UK tax authorities too.
In October we are flat broke having lost 70% of our modest savings.
- Oct 28 2008 11:46AM
Neil Brough, Boroughbridge, York

Sorry to repeat myself but the Landsbanki brochure twice said that Guernsey offered secure savings; to me that meant secure, what other meaning can you put on that word?
I had no reason whatsoever to believe that my savings werent covered either by the UK or Guernsey goverment:
After the northern rock debacle Peter Neville wrote a press release that Guernsey was a safe and secure savings venue; he added to be fair then that there was no protection but it was in hand: 13 months later of course I assumed it was in place! It cant take that long as they now say they will provide protection in November! TKD Jonathan
- Oct 22 2008 8:19AM
Jonathan Nettleton, Mortain France